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Thurtell and Related Families
Notes for John THURTELL
The following information was received from Peter Murray in 1997.
John Thurtell was a blacksmith residing in the parish of St. Julian in
the City of Norwich, Norfolk, England. He made his will on November 13,
1729, identifying his wife and various children as beneficiaries, being
already apparently gravely ill and he must have died very soon
afterwards, being buried December 2, 1729, at Norwich St. Etheldreda
(register). His will was examined December 8, 1729; and the statement of
the witnesses to the will was taken at that time. He must be the John
Thurtle who married Alice Balls June 24, 1700, in Swannington, Norfolk
(IGI entry). Alice, his widow in the parish of Norwich St. Julian, made
her will in 1734 and signed by the executrix and witnesses on September
20, 1735. This was apparently just after she died since the burial of
Alice Thurtel was recorded September 17, 1735, at Norwich St. Etheldreda
(register). Her will was for some reason examined again January 21, 1768.
Conjectures as to possible parents of this John Thurtell are very
uncertain: there is record (from IGI entries) of a John Thirkettel
baptised March 22, 1680, at Norwich St. Peter Southgate (son of John
Thirkettel, probably by wife Mary); and a John Thirtle baptised May 6,
1677, at Caister St. Edmund Norfolk (son of Robert Thirtle and Sarah).
Caister St. Edmund is only a short distance south of Trowse Newton and
Lakenham, all of which are just south of Norwich.
John and Alice Thurtell had eight children.
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WILL OF JOHN THURTELL OF NORWICH ST JULIAN, BLACKSMITH
1729 Norwich Consistory Court, Norfolk.
Note: This John Thurtell (m. Alice) had a son John born at about the
right time to be the father (possibly John Thurtell, peruke maker m.
Elizabeth) of our James Thurtell (m. Winifred Nunn) and other
circumstances tend to confirm this relationship.
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In the Name of God Amen I John Thurtell of ye parish of St Julian in ye
City of Norwich Blacksmith being in perfect mind and memory doe make and
ordain this my last Will & Testament as follows, (that is to Say) first I
bequeath my Soul to Almighty God hoping for Salvation thro' ye merits &
mediaton of Jesus Christ my blessed Saviour and Redeemer and my Body I
bequeath to ye Earth from whence it was taken to be buried in a Christian
like manner at ye discretion of my Extrix herein after to be named and as
to my Worldly Estate which it hath pleased God to bestow upon me in this
Life I give & Dispose thereof in manner & form following viz Impris[?].
I give & bequeath to Robert Thurtell my eldest Son my best great Coat a
double breasted Coat a fustian[?] Waist Coat and a pair of Buckskin
Breeches. Item I give and bequeath to John Thurtell my Second Son my blue
Cloth Wrapping Coat. Item I give & bequeath to my Son Henry Thurtell my
best Sute of Wearing Cloaths and my best Buckskin Breeches. Item I give
& bequeath unto my Son James Thurtell one Guinea of Gold. Item I give &
bequeath to my youngest Son Jeremiah Thurtell one Guinea of Gold. Item I
give & bequeath to my Daughter Sarah the sum of one Guinea of Gold. Item
I give & bequeath to my Daur Alice Thurtell one Feather Bed whereon She
usually lieth with all the furniture belonging to ye same as it now
standeth also I give to my said Daur Alice ye sume of five Shillings in
money all ye sd legacys I will to be paid within Six Months next after my
Decease Excepting only that bequeathed to my son Jeremiah wch I wish to
be paid at ye Discreton of my Extrix hereafter named. Item all ye rest &
residue of my Estates Goods Chattles moneys rights and dues wtsoever &
Wheresoever I give & bequeath unto Alice my loving Wife for her to
possess and Enjoy and Dispose of as She shall think fitt and I doe hereby
make ordain nominate & appoint this said Alice my Wife to be ye only &
sole Extrix of this my last Will and Testamt to pay my debts & legacys &
to See this my Will fulfilled according to the true Intent & meaning of
the same and I also hereby revoke disallow and make void all other wills
legacys Exors & bequests by me at any time before named willed or
bequeathed Ratifying allowing & Confirming this and no other to be my
last Will & Testament In Witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand &
Seal this Thirteenth Day of November in Third year of ye Reign of our
Sovereign & Lord George the Second by ye Grace of God of Great Brittain
France and Ireland King Defender of ye faith & xpand in ye Year of our
Lord Christ 1729.
John Thurtell his mark.
Signed Sealed & Declared by your Testator John Thurtell to be his last
Will & Testament in ye presence of us William Bollon[?] Thomas Murrell[?]
his mark, Henry Masters.....
apud Nocvir[?] 8 Dec 1729. Jurat Extrin corain nigro[?] John Swift Clico
Surro xc
Examined by Ian Colegs, Thos Coldwell.
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END OF DOCUMENT
FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS IN THE ABOVE WILL OF JOHN THURTELL 1729:
John Thurtell, blacksmith of the parish of Norwich St Julian, made his
will in 1729.
Wife: Alice, named the executrix, to whom he left all of his estate with
the exception of that designated to his children.
His children (not stated if Alice was mother):
Robert Thurtell, eldest son, to whom he left his best greatcoat, a
double-breasted coat, a fustian(?) waistcoat, and a pair of buckskin
breeches.
John Thurtell, second son, to whom he left a blue cloth wrapping
coat.
Henry Thurtell, to whom he left his best suit of wearing clothes and
his best buckskin breeches.
James Thurtell, to whom he left one guinea of gold.
Jeremiah Thurtell, youngest son, apparently underage in 1729, to
whom he left one guinea of gold.
Sarah (no indication she was married), to whom he left one guinea of
gold.
Alice Thurtell (evidently unmarried), to whom he left one feather
bed on which she usually slept and all the furnishings belonging to it,
and the sum of five shillings.
All of the above were living in 1729.
Notes:
- The following IGI entries may relate to this family:
- John Thurtle married Alice Balls, 24 June 1700 at Swannington
Norfolk.
- Children of John Thurtle and Alice, christening dates:
Robert Thirtle, 20 Feb 1701, at Norwich St Peter Southgate.
Sara Theartill, 12 Feb 1703, at Norwich St Julian.
James Thurtle, 10 March 1711, at Norwich St Julian.
Susanna Thurtle, 15 Aug 1714, at Norwich St Julian.
- John Thurtle, chr.20 Feb 1705, son of John Thurtle and Jane.
[could "Jane" here be an error for "Alice"?]
- Henry Thirtle married Anne Wright, 17 June 1734 at Smallburgh
Norfolk.
- Henry Thurtle and Anne had at least 4 children christened at
Norwich St Julian. [The will of Henry Thurtell of Norwich is dated
1740-41.]
- Alice Thurtle married Robt.Backamore, 16 Jul 1730 at Norwich St
Julian.
- The will of Alice Thurtle of Norwich is dated 1735.
- The admon of Henry Thurtle, blacksmith of Norwich St Julian,
included not only his wife Ann but also a John Thurtill of Trowse,
barber, must almost certainly be the brother of this Henry.
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It is quite possible that this John Thurtell is the son John born in 1677
of Robert and Sarah Thirtle (so spelled) of Caistor St. Edmund with
Markshall, a few miles south of Norwich. His wife Alice was perhaps from
a Swannington Norfolk family. The fact that he named his eldest son
Robert and his eldest daughter Sarah make this parentage very likely.
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